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		By: Theodora		</title>
		<link>https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14891</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14890&quot;&gt;chinvc&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi there! Yes, the simple things are the bigger culture shock. Because I&#039;m from the UK, where most people still live in one, two or three storey buildings, I&#039;m not used to hanging washing out in flats -- plus, in the UK, my friends who live in flats tend to use low folding things to hang their washing (either over the bathtub or on the balcony). NOT high wires, like you have here...

I didn&#039;t mean that &quot;Chinese style&quot; meant that all Chinese people had squat bathrooms. It&#039;s just that people who advertise in English for foreigners (as I understand it) use &quot;Chinese style&quot; to mean &quot;has squat bathroom &quot;). This may just be a Kunming thing. Some of the buildings have very old plumbing and can&#039;t support Western style WC. I don&#039;t know we&#039;ll have the time to make Hangzhou on this visit, but we hope to be back for longer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14890">chinvc</a>.</p>
<p>Hi there! Yes, the simple things are the bigger culture shock. Because I&#8217;m from the UK, where most people still live in one, two or three storey buildings, I&#8217;m not used to hanging washing out in flats &#8212; plus, in the UK, my friends who live in flats tend to use low folding things to hang their washing (either over the bathtub or on the balcony). NOT high wires, like you have here&#8230;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean that &#8220;Chinese style&#8221; meant that all Chinese people had squat bathrooms. It&#8217;s just that people who advertise in English for foreigners (as I understand it) use &#8220;Chinese style&#8221; to mean &#8220;has squat bathroom &#8220;). This may just be a Kunming thing. Some of the buildings have very old plumbing and can&#8217;t support Western style WC. I don&#8217;t know we&#8217;ll have the time to make Hangzhou on this visit, but we hope to be back for longer.</p>
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		By: chinvc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[HA!!I laughed at least 5 times during reading this blog!I&#039;ve never thought that supermarkets and hanging washing would be such puzzled problems for foreighers!
It&#039;s strange why Chinese-style apartment means &quot;has squat toilet&quot;.Actually,Chinese families use water closets commonly,only some public places use squat toilets.
Hope you have a nice trip!
And i suggest you coming to HANGZHOU,the capital of ZHEJIANG,with beautiful sceneries and prosperous business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA!!I laughed at least 5 times during reading this blog!I&#8217;ve never thought that supermarkets and hanging washing would be such puzzled problems for foreighers!<br />
It&#8217;s strange why Chinese-style apartment means &#8220;has squat toilet&#8221;.Actually,Chinese families use water closets commonly,only some public places use squat toilets.<br />
Hope you have a nice trip!<br />
And i suggest you coming to HANGZHOU,the capital of ZHEJIANG,with beautiful sceneries and prosperous business.</p>
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		By: Theodora		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14887&quot;&gt;MaryAnne&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, I ended up paying 3500 -- so 900 over the rental for the agent&#039;s fee and the utilities. So I&#039;m paying 250 yuan for utilities if he&#039;s charged me the standard 30%. Our internet&#039;s pretty fast, and we&#039;re using sod-all electricity -- no A/C or heating thanks to us being in the &quot;spring city&quot;. There do seem to be a lot of expats working here, but they all seem to cluster on one easy strip in the centre, near the university. We&#039;re really liking it here, in fact. Everybody&#039;s very helpful with our attempts to speak Chinese. Z&#039;s constantly dived on by old ladies on the buses. The shops are pretty cool, and there&#039;s minigolf and ice skating in a park outside town. If we&#039;d been staying for longer, I reckon I could have got a similar thing for significantly less -- 2500 seems to be about right. But I wasn&#039;t bothered about overpaying slightly for the ease of just settling straight in...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14887">MaryAnne</a>.</p>
<p>Well, I ended up paying 3500 &#8212; so 900 over the rental for the agent&#8217;s fee and the utilities. So I&#8217;m paying 250 yuan for utilities if he&#8217;s charged me the standard 30%. Our internet&#8217;s pretty fast, and we&#8217;re using sod-all electricity &#8212; no A/C or heating thanks to us being in the &#8220;spring city&#8221;. There do seem to be a lot of expats working here, but they all seem to cluster on one easy strip in the centre, near the university. We&#8217;re really liking it here, in fact. Everybody&#8217;s very helpful with our attempts to speak Chinese. Z&#8217;s constantly dived on by old ladies on the buses. The shops are pretty cool, and there&#8217;s minigolf and ice skating in a park outside town. If we&#8217;d been staying for longer, I reckon I could have got a similar thing for significantly less &#8212; 2500 seems to be about right. But I wasn&#8217;t bothered about overpaying slightly for the ease of just settling straight in&#8230;</p>
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		By: Theodora		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14886&quot;&gt;Ainlay&lt;/a&gt;.

We like Kunming a lot -- and, yes, the Western cafes on Wenlin Jie are a magnet. We&#039;re not that far out of the centre at all, really -- three or four stops on a bus, and with lots of malls and shops. But it&#039;s more Chinese than Western here by a long shot -- we&#039;ve only seen other Westerners in the Wenlin Jie axis. Went to the Haigeng Park yesterday, which is absolutely amazing... Tibet? I&#039;m jealous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14886">Ainlay</a>.</p>
<p>We like Kunming a lot &#8212; and, yes, the Western cafes on Wenlin Jie are a magnet. We&#8217;re not that far out of the centre at all, really &#8212; three or four stops on a bus, and with lots of malls and shops. But it&#8217;s more Chinese than Western here by a long shot &#8212; we&#8217;ve only seen other Westerners in the Wenlin Jie axis. Went to the Haigeng Park yesterday, which is absolutely amazing&#8230; Tibet? I&#8217;m jealous.</p>
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		By: MaryAnne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14885&quot;&gt;Theodora&lt;/a&gt;.

What are you paying for utilities? Our China Telecom internet (&#039;high&#039; speed) is 150/month. Water is negligible, as is gas (under 100 each usually) and electricity veers between negligible in mild season (now) and absurd (like 500-1000) during the depths of winter and the awfulness of summer.

Kunming is a place I&#039;d love to live-- I&#039;ve heard it&#039;s quite hard to find a job there as a foreigner because competition is fierce!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14885">Theodora</a>.</p>
<p>What are you paying for utilities? Our China Telecom internet (&#8216;high&#8217; speed) is 150/month. Water is negligible, as is gas (under 100 each usually) and electricity veers between negligible in mild season (now) and absurd (like 500-1000) during the depths of winter and the awfulness of summer.</p>
<p>Kunming is a place I&#8217;d love to live&#8211; I&#8217;ve heard it&#8217;s quite hard to find a job there as a foreigner because competition is fierce!</p>
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		By: Ainlay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Welcome to Kunming!  We found it a fun, young city in the center, especially near the university where there are LOTS of cool cafes with wifi.  But rather boring on the outskirts where we started out so I hope you don&#039;t have the same problem.  On the other hand, that is where we found our cheapest meal in China -  combination of various rice and noodle dishes for a grand total of 50 Yuan ($8) for all five of us - including sodas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Kunming!  We found it a fun, young city in the center, especially near the university where there are LOTS of cool cafes with wifi.  But rather boring on the outskirts where we started out so I hope you don&#8217;t have the same problem.  On the other hand, that is where we found our cheapest meal in China &#8211;  combination of various rice and noodle dishes for a grand total of 50 Yuan ($8) for all five of us &#8211; including sodas.</p>
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		By: Theodora		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 03:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14883&quot;&gt;MaryAnne&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting -- I think we paid, basically, almost exactly 30% plus a slight hit for utilities. He went all the way up to a whole month&#039;s rent, I reckon, just to stop me squeaking about the utilities. That&#039;s a really handy tip, thanks.

And, yes, my impression was -- from cruising SmartShanghai.com -- that this would be around 8000 in Shanghai, plus whatever short let fee they apply. We are enjoying China immensely. And I&#039;ve just found out that Kunming has one of the largest minigolf courses in Asia. Hope to meet up in Shanghai!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14883">MaryAnne</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting &#8212; I think we paid, basically, almost exactly 30% plus a slight hit for utilities. He went all the way up to a whole month&#8217;s rent, I reckon, just to stop me squeaking about the utilities. That&#8217;s a really handy tip, thanks.</p>
<p>And, yes, my impression was &#8212; from cruising SmartShanghai.com &#8212; that this would be around 8000 in Shanghai, plus whatever short let fee they apply. We are enjoying China immensely. And I&#8217;ve just found out that Kunming has one of the largest minigolf courses in Asia. Hope to meet up in Shanghai!</p>
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		By: Theodora		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 02:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14882&quot;&gt;Rachel&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I carry a) our Rough Guide (with its ABSOLUTELY rubbish Mandarin phrase list at the back) and b) our address written in pinyin, my attempt at phonetic for me and Mandarin everywhere we go. We&#039;re actually picking up quite a few words at the moment, start lessons on Monday and have made ourselves understood...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.escapeartistes.com/2011/09/22/house-hunting-in-china/#comment-14882">Rachel</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I carry a) our Rough Guide (with its ABSOLUTELY rubbish Mandarin phrase list at the back) and b) our address written in pinyin, my attempt at phonetic for me and Mandarin everywhere we go. We&#8217;re actually picking up quite a few words at the moment, start lessons on Monday and have made ourselves understood&#8230;</p>
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		By: MaryAnne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Awesome flat! It looks a lot like ours (the Ikea aspect!) except something like that tends to go for 8k here in Shanghai. Nicely done! I&#039;m glad you negotiated, as really, everything is negotiable here.  One thing that you might want to know for future reference is that although the agent&#039;s fee is a month&#039;s rent, the tenant should only pay about 30% of it. The rest is the landlord&#039;s responsibility, I think.

We got ours negotiated to include the fapiao (a very expensive monthly &#039;receipt&#039; worth 5% of the monthly rent which is required by a lot of work places in order to get your housing allowance reimbursed).

Welcome to China!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome flat! It looks a lot like ours (the Ikea aspect!) except something like that tends to go for 8k here in Shanghai. Nicely done! I&#8217;m glad you negotiated, as really, everything is negotiable here.  One thing that you might want to know for future reference is that although the agent&#8217;s fee is a month&#8217;s rent, the tenant should only pay about 30% of it. The rest is the landlord&#8217;s responsibility, I think.</p>
<p>We got ours negotiated to include the fapiao (a very expensive monthly &#8216;receipt&#8217; worth 5% of the monthly rent which is required by a lot of work places in order to get your housing allowance reimbursed).</p>
<p>Welcome to China!</p>
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		By: Rachel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ha ha we had eactly the same conversation on price over the flat in Thailand - &#039;oh but the price I said on the phone is for a six month let and you only want 3&#039;. Ditto the business card tip - invaluable, and if you want to go somewhere and can&#039;t find directions just go to any 5* hotel and act like a guest - they&#039;ll write the instructions down for you to give to a cab driver/ask man on street. We had one of the best meals ever in Nanning by just sitting in a teppanyaki (sp) restaurant and eating what they showed us. Who needs menus?! Enjoy the break.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha we had eactly the same conversation on price over the flat in Thailand &#8211; &#8216;oh but the price I said on the phone is for a six month let and you only want 3&#8217;. Ditto the business card tip &#8211; invaluable, and if you want to go somewhere and can&#8217;t find directions just go to any 5* hotel and act like a guest &#8211; they&#8217;ll write the instructions down for you to give to a cab driver/ask man on street. We had one of the best meals ever in Nanning by just sitting in a teppanyaki (sp) restaurant and eating what they showed us. Who needs menus?! Enjoy the break.</p>
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