Kirche Kuche Kinder

Every so often, while eavesdropping — or, perhaps, a more polite term is, err, “people-watching” — one comes across conversations that one, quite literally, couldn’t make up.

Ever since we met Klaus in Marinduque, I’ve been interested in those mutually advantageous marriages that a certain type of gentleman procures in the Philippines, and elsewhere in South-East Asia. I’d interpreted them, essentially, as an extension of sex tourism.

But the chap at the next table to us at our diving place the other night was looking for something rather different. Very much, in fact, the traditional kirche, kuche, kinder, with a little nostalgie de la boue, the desire for a primitive, Gauguinesque life among the natives. Or, as we say in English, unreconstructed sexist oaf seeks compliant light-brown slave.

I zoned into their conversation at a tricky juncture. “No, no,” the chap was saying. “You won’t like Norway. Let me tell you. All the Norwegian women will be jealous of you.”

Like any decent eavesdropper, my head turned to assess this self-described paragon of male beauty.

Unusually, this chap was, indeed, quite easy on the eye. Not as beautiful as the submissive, slight, slender chick, sat beside him with her face in a decorous moue that somehow still expressed intense, frustrated, passive-aggressive fury. Rather short by Scandinavian standards. But, you know, could certainly get laid for free…

“I want you to live here,” he says. “Close to your family. And then I come and visit you, and send you money, and spend time here. But in Norway, the women they will hate you. They do not like beautiful women in Norway. It will be very difficult for you.”

Mademoiselle remaining silent and visibly under-impressed, he moved to what was clearly another favoured topic in his repertoire. Money.

“It is so cheap here!” he says. “Look what we have eaten here! Blue marlin steak for me. One red wine for you. Three red wines and six or seven beers for me. Salad! [he rifles through the bill] Soup for you! And all for 845 pesos! I tell you. To buy the same meal in Norway would cost me maybe 8450 pesos. I am serious! .75l of beer costs 300 pesos in Norway, alone.”

The lady murmured, in a deferential fashion, “I think it is very expensive.”

“You think it is expensive here?” he exclaims, draping his arm over the little lady in a manner both patronising and proprietorial. “Expensive, here? You poor, poor girl.”

“Let me tell you about Norway,” he continues, getting into his stride. “My parents, they have a summer house. And this little summer house of theirs — it is not mine yet, but when they die it will be my house — is worth more than ten MILLION pesos. That is ten MILLION pesos. You see, it is not expensive here.”

A friend of his joins the table with a lady who appeared to be a friend of hers, double-dating, but clearly with less invested in her relationship than the first. More beers are summoned, in an oafish fashion.

“You see,” he says. “The women in Norway, they do not appreciate men. In Norway, you go out to work, you make all this money, and you give the woman all this money. And is she grateful? Does she appreciate you? She does not. Now, when I send you money, or give you money, you are grateful.”

She nods, submissively.

While I am pondering precisely what percentage of Norwegian women are entirely dependent on their menfolk for financial support, either prior to or during the raising of their children, and where on earth this chap has been sourcing his ladies from, he continues.

“And, what is worst of all, if you ask a Norwegian woman to do housework, she will get angry, and refuse to do it. The house, it is never cleaned. Now, if I ask you to do housework, you will do it. And be happy to do it.”

Rock on, women of Norway, I think.

I catch the female friend’s eye very, very briefly. She is clearly thinking the same, but with added rage.

Conversation exhausted — and a feature of these types of relationships is that, even in their cups, the men generally have very little to say to their women — the chaps talk among themselves, for a little while. “Are you understanding this?” asks the oaf.

“How can we understand you?” asks the friend. “You’re speaking Norwegian.”

He laughs. Smug not only in his rapier wit, but in his fluency in his native language and the foolishness of the little ladies who do not speak it.

I would love to see how this story ends. I hope, and pray, that it ends with her moving to Norway, getting the passport, getting a job, getting a divorce and getting the house, too. Or maybe just the summerhouse. Like he says, that alone would make her a peso multimillionaire…

15 Responses

  1. Tatiana says:

    You tell a good story! What an amazing conversation. I feel like I shared it with you. . . . which means it was great writing, too. Thanks!

  2. janet bettesworth says:

    this is absolutely hilarious. had your blog recommended to me by Anne-Marie, and I’m really enjoying it

  3. Rock on, women of Norway!

  4. Jo'el says:

    Before western culture came to the Philippines, it was shameful for women to drink and smoke….now its common.

    In the early 1940’s it was shameful for women in the west to smoke and drink, but womens suffrage happened. Women wanted to be like men. They even started dressing like men.

    Now the divorce rate has skyrocked, familys are broken apart, motherless and fatherless, we govern ourselves. We are I phones. We have “I” communitys.

    What happened to the “ladys”?

    I am fortunate, i married one of the last few. She is from the Philippines. I love her with all my heart and soul. And she knows it by the way i serve her. I know how she loves me through her action. Her service. She is not ashamed to serve me, but proud.

    You fools….you know nothing of shame….you dont know even how to be a “lady.”

    • MummyT says:

      Tis true I’m not an expert on either shame or being a lady. I do, however, know that women’s suffrage was a late 19th century movement, that women have been wearing trousers since then in the west (and since long before then in many parts of Asia), that women of all classes in the West have been smoking and drinking since that was invented, and that ladies normally takes its plural with ie, not y. But, thank you for your perspective.

  5. Brenna says:

    Hi, thanks for posting this! Though I must say that we can’t really judge by our own standards. When we travel, we must accept the fact that there are certain norms that are not usually acceptable to us. Women’s culture from different countries are really very different.

    Maybe women from Philippines ought to be submissive because they value family much more than themselves. Women from Norway value their pride. So it’s a very different standpoint.

    • MummyT says:

      Thanks for your comment. I guess it’s hard to generalise about women from the Philippines or women from Norway. The Filipina women I know tend to be quite the reverse of submissive. Their take on this sort of dynamic was (essentially), “Well, if the girl’s a GRO [code 1=”prostitute” language=”for”][/code] or that sort of woman and knows what she’s doing, and is playing her game, good on her. If she’s some little girl from a village who believes she’s found her dream guy she’s likely to get very badly exploited.” But it was the man’s attitude to women which I found problematic, rather than the women’s response to the man.

  6. Brian of Nazareth says:

    “More beers are summoned, in an oafish fashion.”

    Did you know that OAFISH is an almost perfect anagram of FASHION? Do you care? Do I need to get a life? I think I do…

    • Theodora says:

      Or maybe you just need a nice Filipina girlfriend that you won’t take home to meet the family… 😉

  7. Dave says:

    it was said that God made women beautiful so men would love them.
    He aslo made them foolish so they will love men

  8. Hello! Hmmm. I have made a comment a while ago about the places to stay in Bali and I came across with this article. I am a Filipina, born and raised in the central part of the country. I truly understand that you have this kind of point of view towards Filipina women in general . I am quite blessed that my parents were able to send me to school, make me get a degree and support me to score a job that perfectly suits my capabilities. It is sad to say that there are so many Filipina women who date (older) men who came from different parts of the world just because of money. It’s true but not all. This is the best part in travelling for sure, you will get to know varying cultures. Family is very important in the Philippines and being caring is innate. It’s usually viewed as being submissive for the woman’s part but it’s actually how we are brought up. I cannot thoroughly explain but being the wife/mother/sister/girlfriend plays a vital role within a relationship or in the house per se. I grew up with a nanny to feed me, to bathe me, to attend to my needs, etc., but my Mama taught me while I was growing up to learn how to do the household chores, to attend one’s needs, to be loving, because it’s our role. Somehow, it’s worldwide known that some women from our country opt to marry/date Western guys for the “money”, we just have to be grateful that we don’t have to be “submissive” to make ends meet. Some find love, some don’t. More so, some men are just too problematic. It really happens here in the Philippines. Seems like they could just buy a Filipina in one snap.

    • Theodora says:

      Thanks for your comment. I don’t actually see this girl as being typical of Filipina women — I’m privileged to know a few strong and extremely feisty Pinay women, so I’m sorry if it came across to you that way. That said, thank you for your point about being raised to be caring. There’s certainly a value placed on “femininity” — whatever exactly that means — within your culture, and lifestyles such as remaining single / marrying and not having children / having children while single really don’t seem to figure.

      The piece was more a commentary on Western men, and, in particular, the type of Western man who comes to Asia — be that the Philippines or Thailand — in quest of a submissive (not just feminine) ideal. One of the great inequalities of the world at the moment is precisely this, that for a girl who’s not from a wealthy home — I was horrified to see that in the Philippines McDonalds requires a university degree for its *counter* staff — finding a Western man, who will, almost by definition, be wealthy in global absolute terms and local purchasing power, can be the best available option.

      I should add, of course, that not all Western-Asian relationships are like that: there are plenty in which the woman is an equal partner. But there is a certain type of Western man who comes to Asia so that he can “buy” a woman – because of this global inequality, he can be wealthy and attractive to a degree that he never could be at home. Here in China similar things happen, though it tends to be Western men in positions of power at universities “dating” their students, which would never be allowed in their own country.

      And, of course, there are Western women who go to Kenya, The Gambia or parts of Egypt so that they can “buy” a younger man…